"Easiest" Engine Swap Out

[big nick]

keep your existing gearbox, flywheel, pressure plate and clutch plate, and bolt the hole lot up to your new bottom end!

[MikeH]

Keep the current box, fit a new clutch, and rough up the flywheel face with 80/120 grit to give it a good grip.

2.5" is too big a system for that spec. I downsized my track car to a 2 inch jetex from a 2.5, and got better low end and mid range power, smoother idle, and it fits better.

[Funky Diver]

Right... I've sourced a bottom end and speaking to the owner lady, she says it's a 2E engine, however the engine starts 2F in the engine number (haven't had chance to take a butchers at it yet). Does this mean it's still a 2E engine?

Also, it has everything (as in EVERYTHING) still on it, manifolds, tranny, the lot.

So what's worth keeping and what's worth fleabagging?

Obviously I have my existing engine... so will have a duplication of both engines and if there's swappable items, I'd rather keep the better stuff (for obvious reasons!!!)

[Boumsong]

Where do you guys get your information regarding prices?!?!


£1000 for a 16v swap. YOU MAD?!

I swapped my GT over to a 16v mid last year and the whole job only cost £400 and that included a Superspring exhaust manifold,a set of cams and the complete engine. It made 155bhp as well..

[Funky Diver]

Is that a 16v running on carbs (I presume dual carbs?) or injection mate?

I'm currently looking at all the options, and 155bhp for £600 is pretty reasoable IMHO.

Since I started the thread I have secured a decent enough workshop with the ability to be able to do a compete body strip and have decided to do exactly that, so having the engine out and worked on is not an issue.

Current thinking is either an Audi bubble block or 2E (both of which I have sourced a complete engine for £50 if I need one)

The 2E is off a known and running sweet car with no major bangs or clunks, the 3A is a non-runner at present.

In regards to the 2E, I've read that a blanking plate is required (easy enough to knock one together), along with a dizzy spacer to allow fitment and a bung to fill one of the holes.

Is there any particular reason that the dizzy can't be used off the original 2E engine?

[Boumsong]

I'm running the standard K-Jet 16v fuel injection gear, no lower air box and a panel filter ziptied to the upper housing. I'm rather impressed with the results, though these engines do respond REEEAALY well to simple fueling and breathing mods.

[Funky Diver]

Sweet, although I actually want to stick with Carb personally... I know... call me old fashioned, but I just love the rawness of it (that and hte fact you can SEE it's a carb, lol)

[Boumsong]

A friend of mine has an ABF set up in his mk2 Golf running a set of carbs from a Kawaksaki (I forget which model though). It made a whaopping 170bhp! I'm looking into carbs for the future, so when you set yours up let me know how it goes.

[Funky Diver]

I shall, however at the moment I'm probably going down the route of 2E tall block on my current head.

[MikeH]

Is that a 16v running on carbs (I presume dual carbs?) or injection mate?

I'm currently looking at all the options, and 155bhp for £600 is pretty reasoable IMHO.

Since I started the thread I have secured a decent enough workshop with the ability to be able to do a compete body strip and have decided to do exactly that, so having the engine out and worked on is not an issue.

Current thinking is either an Audi bubble block or 2E (both of which I have sourced a complete engine for £50 if I need one)

The 2E is off a known and running sweet car with no major bangs or clunks, the 3A is a non-runner at present.

In regards to the 2E, I've read that a blanking plate is required (easy enough to knock one together), along with a dizzy spacer to allow fitment and a bung to fill one of the holes.

Is there any particular reason that the dizzy can't be used off the original 2E engine?

There's no advance curve in a 2E dizzy, so you'd need mappable ignition to use it. The 2E dizzy is worth a few quid, but you'll need the gear off a 2L dizzy though.

What's the 3A dizzy like? I'm not sure if they had an ECU, or if ignition was controlled by the dizzy. Does it have a vac advance unit on it?

[Funky Diver]

And MikeH just ramble Swahili at me, haha :D

I've read that the 2E block needs the original dizzy of my current engine for hte conversion, which wazs what I was driving at :)

Least I'll be able to sell the dizzy on if it's no use.

[MikeH]

It needs a dizzy with a built in advance mechanism, which a 2E doesn't have. It also needs an adaptor ring, because the hole in the 2.0 block is bigger, and it needs the drive gear from a 2.0 dizzy, as they're a different size.

Cars with an ECU generally don't have advance built into the dizzy. Some Kjet cars have ECU's (Mk2 golf 16v) while some don't (Mk2 golf 8v, Scirocco 8v injection models). I'm not sure about the audi models with a 3A engine.

If there's a vacuum pipe to a vac unit on the dizzy, it'll have an advance mechanism.

[MikeH]

Where do you guys get your information regarding prices?!?!


£1000 for a 16v swap. YOU MAD?!

I swapped my GT over to a 16v mid last year and the whole job only cost £400 and that included a Superspring exhaust manifold,a set of cams and the complete engine. It made 155bhp as well..

Can't guarantee to have your luck with 2nd hand bargains. The Supersprint manifold is over £400 on its own, if you buy a new one.

[Funky Diver]

Right... gotcha!! Cheers Mike, can get that lot sorted for much cheapness (my fabricator can do it whilst he's making my grill and other bespoke parts ;))