It's been standing, now sick - idle and low power
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It's been standing, now sick - idle and low power
My Scala (injection) hasn't been getting out much recently. I last started it in October last year and it seemed fine. Now it is complaining....
It starts pretty much on the button but doesn't fast idle at cold. It has low idle at any time, cold or warm. It's low powered from 500 (yep, that low) to 2500 rpm - it stutters a bit but will pick up above 2500, better when warm. When letting the accelerator go, it doesn't drop nicely to idle, it goes below (sometimes stalling) and wheezes to get to 500 rpm.
There is fresh fuel in there but I suspect something has stuck, got gummed up or is not working in the fuel system. Visually in the metering head, throttle body, air filter, hoses and connection all look OK and parts move as I would expect. There is a slight misfire heard on deceleration...
Any clues where to look?
It starts pretty much on the button but doesn't fast idle at cold. It has low idle at any time, cold or warm. It's low powered from 500 (yep, that low) to 2500 rpm - it stutters a bit but will pick up above 2500, better when warm. When letting the accelerator go, it doesn't drop nicely to idle, it goes below (sometimes stalling) and wheezes to get to 500 rpm.
There is fresh fuel in there but I suspect something has stuck, got gummed up or is not working in the fuel system. Visually in the metering head, throttle body, air filter, hoses and connection all look OK and parts move as I would expect. There is a slight misfire heard on deceleration...
Any clues where to look?
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Re: It's been standing, now sick - idle and low power
There is a pin which is operated by the metal flap in the meter head which controls fuel to the injectors and can rust/get stuck.
Common problem and a few guides on the web should help....
Common problem and a few guides on the web should help....
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Re: It's been standing, now sick - idle and low power
The movement of the meter head plate feels fine - a little consistent resistance on the upward stroke, nothing crunchy or sticky. Its almost like air starvation rather than fuelling. I've let more air in by disconnecting vacuum lines to see if it increases the idle speed but nothing.
Could I be looking in the wrong area? Could it be ignition timing or something similar that would cause this....
Could I be looking in the wrong area? Could it be ignition timing or something similar that would cause this....
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Re: It's been standing, now sick - HELP still needed!
I am stumped. I have poked, checked and tinkered with the various dirty bits under the bonnet and I am no further in finding the cause of bad starting (on cold), low idle and poor power below 3000 rev.
For all intent it seems like air starvation but all pathways are clear. It doesn't smell like fuel starvation as the exhaust smells more like it is running over rich.
Any other ideas? Before being laid up for six months without starting it was running fine. My only change in between times is replacing the disti-cap and rotor arm.
For all intent it seems like air starvation but all pathways are clear. It doesn't smell like fuel starvation as the exhaust smells more like it is running over rich.
Any other ideas? Before being laid up for six months without starting it was running fine. My only change in between times is replacing the disti-cap and rotor arm.
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Re: It's been standing, now sick - HELP still needed!
I'd look here, then. Replacement parts aren't great quality these days and even new ones can be duff.p in phcas wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:57 am Before being laid up for six months without starting it was running fine. My only change in between times is replacing the disti-cap and rotor arm.
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Re: It's been standing, now sick - idle and low power
damp in the fuel
you could try some Wynn's Dry Fuel.
you could try some Wynn's Dry Fuel.
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Re: It's been standing, now sick - idle and low power
Thanks Dan. I've put some good fuel additive and new fuel in the tank. No change. Going to take a closer look at the disti and rotor arm. It is firing on all cylinders, just not very well during cold start or anything below 2500 rpm. What's the symptoms of the vacuum advance / retard mech seizing in the distributor? Would that affect running all the way through the rev range or just at certain points.
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Re: It's been standing, now sick - idle and low power
Check engine earths too,
Mine would always fire up (albeit a bit laboured) and run OK on idle but almost cut out if you blipped the throttle (revs drop right down)
Took the engine earth cables off, wirewheeled the connections and contacts. Popped it all back together and it's a million times better!
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Mine would always fire up (albeit a bit laboured) and run OK on idle but almost cut out if you blipped the throttle (revs drop right down)
Took the engine earth cables off, wirewheeled the connections and contacts. Popped it all back together and it's a million times better!
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Re: It's been standing, now sick - idle and low power
hmmmm, that's worth a though. Will give it a try and let you know..
thx..
thx..
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Re: It's been standing, now sick - idle and low power
Hi,
Any news, have you managed to try any remedies to fix.
Any news, have you managed to try any remedies to fix.
kind regards,
Dave.
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Currently: 1991 GT2 in Pearl green metallic.