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I've had Raceland coilovers 2years/over 10kmiles in my rocco and no problems. My friend has in his MK1 GTI Formel-K coilover. 4 years and over 20 000 kilometres and no problems.

With cheap coilovers it seems to depend from your luck if they are ok or not. I used to work reseller for TA-Technix, Koni and Bilstein. TA-Technix had smallest fail % , 2 year quarantee and fastest response for quarantee cases. Of course they are not anywhere as good as Koni or Bilstein in a track but good in everyday use.

I totally agree that you get what you pay for but sometimes you might get lucky and have great value for money.

Ok I see well Raceland are to cheap in our experience.

Maikki wrote:I've had Raceland coilovers 2years/over 10kmiles in my rocco and no problems. My friend has in his MK1 GTI Formel-K coilover. 4 years and over 20 000 kilometres and no problems.

With cheap coilovers it seems to depend from your luck if they are ok or not. I used to work reseller for TA-Technix, Koni and Bilstein. TA-Technix had smallest fail % , 2 year quarantee and fastest response for quarantee cases. Of course they are not anywhere as good as Koni or Bilstein in a track but good in everyday use.

I totally agree that you get what you pay for but sometimes you might get lucky and have great value for money.

Just as I was starting to see some kind of light at the end of the tunnel with the whole suspension thing, it looks like I won't be needing any suspension for now :(
Sadly, my scirocco got broken into this weekend...
some kid has crowbared the door and ripped the ignition wires out and tried to jump start it.
I think he first rolled it down the hill and across the main road into the street opposite which is a dead end!! where he tried to hot wire it. failed and then left it there... nice one
Still I'm not out of the rocco game and will be getting my other rocco that has been sheltering in my mums garage over winter

So from what i have read and people have commented, it looks like pot luck with the cheap suspension units. You can get cheap coilovers for £200/£300 but they aren't reliable. If you're budget is less than £250 though it's probably best to avoid cheap coilovers and just get springs and shocks that are lower. If you want to get decent 'cheap' coilovers then it looks like you need to spend over £300/£400 minimum. But even then they aren't gonna be that good...
£340 gets you these Weitec ultra gt sports (45mm lower) which seem pretty decent for lower spring kit http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/performan ... owers-45mm

so I'm just hanging on for the insurance people to turn round and say that the damage is not worth repairing and offer me less than a tenth of the time and money I have spent getting my rocco this far... sobsob
oh well, anyways I can't think about suspension right now cos all I want on my sciroccos from now is some kind of robotic anti theft killer arm that grabs potential twokers and shreds them into bite size pieces that I can then feed to the pigs grrrr

Damn, really sad to hear about the break-in.

If the damage isn't too severe you could buy it back and fix it, it will probably just be an economic write off...a replacement door and some wiring shouldn't be too expensive.

Like Colin, I'm really sorry to hear what happened to your car. Hope you get things sorted out okay.

As for the original question about suspension, when I was looking at renewing the set up for Project Poppy I decided to go FK Silverlines. Again, not cheap, but height adjustable and very shiny ...



Sadly, they never got fitted as some scumbag broke into my workshop and nicked them.

Very very sorry to hear about the brake in to your car, best to fit it with immobiliser toad cat 1s are very good £92.00 here---

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toad-Sterling ... 3002wt_698" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

it will all so make your car insurance a bit cheaper then for extra security fit with another cut of switch, this person sounds another mindless idiot that does not seem to care about other peoples property.Hope you get it sorted to keep her.

yep pretty annoying really- to say the least. Thanks for the kind comments. I was just getting the car to look good. It had a paint job last year and I chose a slightly off white colour (originally it was alpine like your Lily cpt custom) so if I get a new door the paint will need matching which is a pain.
Also, I did have an alarm fitted but had disconnected it as I thought it might have been draining the battery so more fail points there.
And my final fail... I left the car on the street facing down the hill for a week and a half without it being driven and just a bit of an invite for anyone walking past to clock it and think thatd be an easy car to break in and roll down the hill. Only moved to this area a year ago and where I used to live was much rougher so had let my guard down a bit- guess it's a bit of wake up call, or more a slap in the face!

I'm hoping I get the car back but it just sets me back quite a bit, the plan was to finish it off and sell it as I can't justify having more than one rocco with a baby due this summer and no family car!!! I was trying to see the silver lining at one point in my disillusion yesterday- I actually thought itd be better to just accept whatever insurance offered and let the car go... bit of a shame really as it is still in decent condition and these are becoming rarer but what with the time I'd need to spend doing it up again and then selling it I thought I would just cut my losses. Embarassed to say this especially amongst such worthy enthusiasts! Anyway I'm slowly rising from the deep dark hole I fell in.

I think in the worst case scenario I will just get the car back and then sell it to someone as a project as I have pretty much run out of time. I'm sure someone will offer me a better price than the insurers. Sorry this is unrelated to thread!
so to get back on topic FKs were your choice cpt

Cpt Custom wrote: when I was looking at renewing the set up for Project Poppy I decided to go FK Silverlines. Again, not cheap, but height adjustable and very shiny ...
Sadly, they never got fitted as some scumbag broke into my workshop and nicked them.

and back off topic I read about your project and then about said 'scumbag' which I was very sorry to hear about. That was such a great and exciting project and you and others had put so much time into it.

Right I'm starting another post back on topic apologies to moderator but I'm sure you can feel my pain

Right to get back to the thread I have some more suspension related queries

So it seems like my budget is creeping up a bit now that I realise you got to pay for what you wanna get
quality and reliability are not cheap when it comes to suspension is what most experienced drivers have been recommending

Back to what Cptn Custom said- The FKs are better than budget at about £450 and definitely look like they are a better quality item. with Koni dampers too.
I have read people recommend these before and I guess these are a tried and tested set up so you know what you are getting. http://www.venommotorsport.com/product_ ... Suspension

Again for me it is a matter of cash right now and at that price I think I'd still have to opt for the Weitec or similar sport spring setup at £100 cheaper. http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/performan ... owers-45mm

then again if I am spending that much I guess saving another £100 to get coilovers would require just a bit more time. How much improvement would I experience? Is it worth the extra £100 for the coilovers?
I'm just guessing here as have no experience but wouldn't the springs and dampers be better matched on the weitec whereas with the FK coilovers you would be paying for adjustability but not necessarily an improvement in the ride? Anyone had any experience going from sport spring set up to a FK or equivalent coilover setup?
I think what I mean is that most of the extra £100 I would be spending would be going into the adjustability of coilovers when it is at this price range.
Not trying to suggest FK coilovers don't give as good a ride.
With the sport springs at this price range I feel I can be sure they are going to be a lot better than the £100 lo spring jobs on ebay or is my money being wasted on brand names?
mmm suddenly throwing a few more curve ball questions in there sorry!

geebeats wrote:Very very sorry to hear about the brake in to your car, best to fit it with immobiliser toad cat 1s are very good £92.00 here---

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toad-Sterling ... 3002wt_698" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

it will all so make your car insurance a bit cheaper then for extra security fit with another cut of switch, this person sounds another mindless idiot that does not seem to care about other peoples property.Hope you get it sorted to keep her.

Thanks geebeats for the heads up on these alarms. The alarm in my car was an old one that was in the car when I bought it so needed upgrading. I am definitely considering investing in something like this now, better late than never... mmm not sure that works but in future- better with an alarm that does the job

It all really depends on how low you want to go fella.

The gt Weitec kit is a 45mm drop which isn't bad, but not enough to satisfy the floor huggers like me and some of the others. The build quality is superb and combined with things like a lower brace will transform the car.

Coilovers are a completely different ball game. Now, at this point please bear in mind that I've never used FK's and am an utter Weitec whore.
I've used their coileys for 6 odd years and wound them down about 100mm. At that height everything needs setting up properly, I also needed to remove the poo shields and roll the rear arches. The ride, however, is nothing short of stunning. People will tell you that anything lower than 40mm will ruin the handling blah blah blah but I've yet to have anything come close in the corners.

Personally, and again please keep in mind my limited experience, the things I'd happily pay out large amounts for are suspension and brakes. Everything else you do is worthless if the ride is cack and you can't stop.

thats ok you are welcome

parch wrote:

geebeats wrote:Very very sorry to hear about the brake in to your car, best to fit it with immobiliser toad cat 1s are very good £92.00 here---

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toad-Sterling ... 3002wt_698" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

it will all so make your car insurance a bit cheaper then for extra security fit with another cut of switch, this person sounds another mindless idiot that does not seem to care about other peoples property.Hope you get it sorted to keep her.

Thanks geebeats for the heads up on these alarms. The alarm in my car was an old one that was in the car when I bought it so needed upgrading. I am definitely considering investing in something like this now, better late than never... mmm not sure that works but in future- better with an alarm that does the job

Mr Funk wrote:It all really depends on how low you want to go fella.

The gt Weitec kit is a 45mm drop which isn't bad, but not enough to satisfy the floor huggers like me and some of the others. The build quality is superb and combined with things like a lower brace will transform the car.

Coilovers are a completely different ball game. Now, at this point please bear in mind that I've never used FK's and am an utter Weitec whore.
I've used their coileys for 6 odd years and wound them down about 100mm. At that height everything needs setting up properly, I also needed to remove the poo shields and roll the rear arches. The ride, however, is nothing short of stunning. People will tell you that anything lower than 40mm will ruin the handling blah blah blah but I've yet to have anything come close in the corners.

Personally, and again please keep in mind my limited experience, the things I'd happily pay out large amounts for are suspension and brakes. Everything else you do is worthless if the ride is cack and you can't stop.

Mr Funk much many thanks, always good to get all sides of the picture and coming from el mafia dept your input is greatly apreciated- with the coilovers it's all about how low you wanna go. I had been holding out for time doing this car up waiting til I was happy with the engine side of things and sorting out body and interior, rust issues and putting a whole new dash in (with no cracks or bends!!!)- because of that the suspension and brakes were left til the rest got a bit better... Maybe with my next rocco I'll dive in at this end and sort the ride out first. I agree that "Everything else you do is worthless if the ride is cack and you can't stop"- that and a windscreen you can see through and I guess a pedal that goes faster and a steering wheel that steers, and as long as the car doesn't leak water in every time it rains -well anyway it seems my post has veered off from my first intentions of getting my off white alpine rocco a budget suspension set up.

So Mr Funk what's your opinion on the budget coilovers. Before whoring the weitecs all over did you go for any of those £200-£300 budget coilies like JOM bluelines or the german tuv approved cheap deals they got on fleabay?
I guess I know the answer to this question already... Judging by what you have said with the coilovers I just don't reckon it's worth scrimping. You aren't gonna get good reliable coilies for less than £400/500 and then you gotta do some more to make sure the ride is set up right. If I had the time and money I would love to go down that route but I guess as a novice I should tiptoe in with the good springs and shocks set up.

With the strut brace everyone says definitely get lower strut brace but is it worth getting top brace as well or is that not necessary unless you're tearing round a track.
How about the rears? Probably not necessary on a road car either??